Thursday, September 29, 2011

Some clarifications on longer term forecasts


In response to people’s question about point 4 in long term forecast, I wrote:

China faces a fork in the road when it slows down. The entrenched interest may keep or grab more wealth, but that will make China either a Latin American countries in the 70s with government terrorism or have a revolution. Or the entrenched interest may step back and start the inevitable transition process and share some of the wealth with the rest of Chinese people. Now the GDP growth is 9-10%, of which investment grow at 13-14% whereas consumption grows at about 7%. In transition, say investment grows at 0% and consumption at 7%, that would make the overall 3-4% GDP growth. So if consumption is largely growth at similar speed like before, people would not notice as much on that aspect. The pain though will still be inevitable because China’s problem is structural. All the resources, especially people, will have to be relocated to service from export and investment driven industries. So lots of people will lose their jobs. The transition would need government monetary and fiscal policy to help.

In response to people’s question about HK vs. Mainland housing bubbles, I wrote

Yes, both will suffer in the longer term. It may be a 10 or more year downward adjustment. HK could have big downward adjustment because it is not only exposed to Chinese economic growth, but also US interest rate. So you could say that the real interest rate today in China is 0; both normal interest and inflation rates are about 6%. But the real rates in HK is about -4%: its exchange rate system require a peg of nominal rate to the US at 0% (due to the impossible trinity concept that I discussed at the BCIC meeting last Nov) while having about 4% inflation rate. So it is a housing bubble on steroids and could even worse than China. When either China slows down or US recovers some, its housing market may have worse adjustment than China. Of course if a lot of Chinese money gets scared in mainland, they may escape to HK to buy something here. That might provide some support from below.

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